From chongxie at stanford.edu Fri Apr 10 10:58:58 2009 From: chongxie at stanford.edu (Chong Xie) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wafer broken In-Reply-To: <307147947.360291239386025022.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <253174821.361361239386338632.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Dear CMP users, The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. I was just using the normal setting: Platen: 50RPM Head1: 30RPM Head2: 60RPM Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose anyone have similar problems before? Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. chong From kimsangb at stanford.edu Fri Apr 10 12:33:34 2009 From: kimsangb at stanford.edu (SangBum Kim) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wafer broken In-Reply-To: <253174821.361361239386338632.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <740698160.2676761239392014794.JavaMail.root@zm01.stanford.edu> Hi Chong, Do you know during which CMP step your wafer gets broken? In my case, most of my broken wafers actaully got broken when it is picked back up again by the head after it is done polishing. If that is the case for you, you can avoid that by turning off the vacuum pump during your polish so that the wafer is not picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" To: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Wafer broken Dear CMP users, The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. I was just using the normal setting: Platen: 50RPM Head1: 30RPM Head2: 60RPM Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose anyone have similar problems before? Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. chong From chongxie at stanford.edu Fri Apr 10 13:48:03 2009 From: chongxie at stanford.edu (Chong Xie) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:48:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wafer broken In-Reply-To: <740698160.2676761239392014794.JavaMail.root@zm01.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1650112382.401591239396482657.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Thanks a lot! That's very likely the case. I will try turning off the vacuum next time. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "SangBum Kim" To: "Chong Xie" Cc: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:33:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken Hi Chong, Do you know during which CMP step your wafer gets broken? In my case, most of my broken wafers actaully got broken when it is picked back up again by the head after it is done polishing. If that is the case for you, you can avoid that by turning off the vacuum pump during your polish so that the wafer is not picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" To: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Wafer broken Dear CMP users, The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. I was just using the normal setting: Platen: 50RPM Head1: 30RPM Head2: 60RPM Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose anyone have similar problems before? Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. chong From chongxie at stanford.edu Fri Apr 10 14:31:17 2009 From: chongxie at stanford.edu (Chong Xie) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wafer broken In-Reply-To: <194704866.412621239398770070.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <417288850.413741239399077906.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Thanks for the information. My wafers might be weakened by the trenches significantly. At least they can gather the strain. I didn't see where the fracture occurred, since the wafers were broken into small pieces. I agree the the pick up process is rather violent. It's mostly likely that's when it breaks the wafers. It would be nice if it can be turned off. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher McGuinness" To: "Chong Xie" Cc: "SangBum Kim" , cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:59:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken This is strange. I've used the CMP many times and have never had a wafer break on me. The only things I can think that would cause this discrepancy are: 1) We load the wafers differently. I don't see how this can be the case though, as it is pretty straightforward... 2) The tool parameters are different. Again, I run the tool at the standard settings, so unless something has degraded or changed since I last used it this would not seem to be the case. 3) There is something about our wafers that is different. I polish wafers with a .6um thick layer of oxide, patterned and filled with a similarly thick layer of poly. There is very little surface topology on my wafers and I polish them down to the surface of the oxide, so basically it is planar the whole time. Could the 2um trench you mentioned be weakening the wafer? Does the fracture occur along the trench? I have also noticed that when the tool turns the vaccuum on again to pick up the wafer it is a rather violent thump. I wonder if this vaccuum turn on step could be looked at and adjusted to be less violent. Or just skipped entirely so you pick your wafer up off the pad.... Sorry to hear about all the destruction. That must be frustrating. -Chris On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chong Xie < chongxie at stanford.edu > wrote: Thanks a lot! That's very likely the case. I will try turning off the vacuum next time. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "SangBum Kim" < kimsangb at stanford.edu > To: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > Cc: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:33:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken Hi Chong, Do you know during which CMP step your wafer gets broken? In my case, most of my broken wafers actaully got broken when it is picked back up again by the head after it is done polishing. If that is the case for you, you can avoid that by turning off the vacuum pump during your polish so that the wafer is not picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > To: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Wafer broken Dear CMP users, The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. I was just using the normal setting: Platen: 50RPM Head1: 30RPM Head2: 60RPM Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose anyone have similar problems before? Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. chong -- Christopher McGuinness SLAC - Advanced Accelerator Research Department Stanford University - Applied Physics Department www.christophermcguinness.com From kimsangb at stanford.edu Fri Apr 10 16:59:13 2009 From: kimsangb at stanford.edu (SangBum Kim) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:59:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wafer broken In-Reply-To: <417288850.413741239399077906.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1466296149.2740091239407953507.JavaMail.root@zm01.stanford.edu> In my case, my oxide PECVD wafers (~1um thick) got broken while my TEOS wafers (~1.3um thick) did NOT. Both of them had not pattern on it. In addition, at that time, I was using contaminated metal set, so it could be a different factor as well. You can tell whether the wafer got broken during pick up process or some other process by looking where your broken pieces are. If they are all over the polishing pad and, that means it got broken during polishing steps. If they are only found under the wafer head, it got broken after polishing steps when it is picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" To: "Christopher McGuinness" Cc: "SangBum Kim" , cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken Thanks for the information. My wafers might be weakened by the trenches significantly. At least they can gather the strain. I didn't see where the fracture occurred, since the wafers were broken into small pieces. I agree the the pick up process is rather violent. It's mostly likely that's when it breaks the wafers. It would be nice if it can be turned off. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher McGuinness" To: "Chong Xie" Cc: "SangBum Kim" , cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:59:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken This is strange. I've used the CMP many times and have never had a wafer break on me. The only things I can think that would cause this discrepancy are: 1) We load the wafers differently. I don't see how this can be the case though, as it is pretty straightforward... 2) The tool parameters are different. Again, I run the tool at the standard settings, so unless something has degraded or changed since I last used it this would not seem to be the case. 3) There is something about our wafers that is different. I polish wafers with a .6um thick layer of oxide, patterned and filled with a similarly thick layer of poly. There is very little surface topology on my wafers and I polish them down to the surface of the oxide, so basically it is planar the whole time. Could the 2um trench you mentioned be weakening the wafer? Does the fracture occur along the trench? I have also noticed that when the tool turns the vaccuum on again to pick up the wafer it is a rather violent thump. I wonder if this vaccuum turn on step could be looked at and adjusted to be less violent. Or just skipped entirely so you pick your wafer up off the pad.... Sorry to hear about all the destruction. That must be frustrating. -Chris On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chong Xie < chongxie at stanford.edu > wrote: Thanks a lot! That's very likely the case. I will try turning off the vacuum next time. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "SangBum Kim" < kimsangb at stanford.edu > To: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > Cc: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:33:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken Hi Chong, Do you know during which CMP step your wafer gets broken? In my case, most of my broken wafers actaully got broken when it is picked back up again by the head after it is done polishing. If that is the case for you, you can avoid that by turning off the vacuum pump during your polish so that the wafer is not picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > To: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Wafer broken Dear CMP users, The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. I was just using the normal setting: Platen: 50RPM Head1: 30RPM Head2: 60RPM Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose anyone have similar problems before? Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. chong -- Christopher McGuinness SLAC - Advanced Accelerator Research Department Stanford University - Applied Physics Department www.christophermcguinness.com From chongxie at stanford.edu Fri Apr 10 17:04:50 2009 From: chongxie at stanford.edu (Chong Xie) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Wafer broken In-Reply-To: <1466296149.2740091239407953507.JavaMail.root@zm01.stanford.edu> Message-ID: <1918987749.452301239408290363.JavaMail.root@zm02.stanford.edu> That's exactly what happened to me. The wafers were well held by the head, although they are already broken. Thanks a lot. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "SangBum Kim" To: "Chong Xie" Cc: cmp at snf.stanford.edu, "Christopher McGuinness" Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 4:59:13 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken In my case, my oxide PECVD wafers (~1um thick) got broken while my TEOS wafers (~1.3um thick) did NOT. Both of them had not pattern on it. In addition, at that time, I was using contaminated metal set, so it could be a different factor as well. You can tell whether the wafer got broken during pick up process or some other process by looking where your broken pieces are. If they are all over the polishing pad and, that means it got broken during polishing steps. If they are only found under the wafer head, it got broken after polishing steps when it is picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" To: "Christopher McGuinness" Cc: "SangBum Kim" , cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:31:17 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken Thanks for the information. My wafers might be weakened by the trenches significantly. At least they can gather the strain. I didn't see where the fracture occurred, since the wafers were broken into small pieces. I agree the the pick up process is rather violent. It's mostly likely that's when it breaks the wafers. It would be nice if it can be turned off. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher McGuinness" To: "Chong Xie" Cc: "SangBum Kim" , cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:59:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken This is strange. I've used the CMP many times and have never had a wafer break on me. The only things I can think that would cause this discrepancy are: 1) We load the wafers differently. I don't see how this can be the case though, as it is pretty straightforward... 2) The tool parameters are different. Again, I run the tool at the standard settings, so unless something has degraded or changed since I last used it this would not seem to be the case. 3) There is something about our wafers that is different. I polish wafers with a .6um thick layer of oxide, patterned and filled with a similarly thick layer of poly. There is very little surface topology on my wafers and I polish them down to the surface of the oxide, so basically it is planar the whole time. Could the 2um trench you mentioned be weakening the wafer? Does the fracture occur along the trench? I have also noticed that when the tool turns the vaccuum on again to pick up the wafer it is a rather violent thump. I wonder if this vaccuum turn on step could be looked at and adjusted to be less violent. Or just skipped entirely so you pick your wafer up off the pad.... Sorry to hear about all the destruction. That must be frustrating. -Chris On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chong Xie < chongxie at stanford.edu > wrote: Thanks a lot! That's very likely the case. I will try turning off the vacuum next time. chong ----- Original Message ----- From: "SangBum Kim" < kimsangb at stanford.edu > To: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > Cc: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:33:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Wafer broken Hi Chong, Do you know during which CMP step your wafer gets broken? In my case, most of my broken wafers actaully got broken when it is picked back up again by the head after it is done polishing. If that is the case for you, you can avoid that by turning off the vacuum pump during your polish so that the wafer is not picked up. Thanks, SangBum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > To: cmp at snf.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Wafer broken Dear CMP users, The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. I was just using the normal setting: Platen: 50RPM Head1: 30RPM Head2: 60RPM Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose anyone have similar problems before? Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. chong -- Christopher McGuinness SLAC - Advanced Accelerator Research Department Stanford University - Applied Physics Department www.christophermcguinness.com From edmyers at stanford.edu Mon Apr 13 07:52:22 2009 From: edmyers at stanford.edu (Ed Myers) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:52:22 -0700 Subject: Comment from CMP manufacture Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090413075124.032cd3f8@stanford.edu> All, Apparently, we have good timing as the manufactures of the CMP group will be in the bay area. Regards, Ed >Delivered-To: edmyers at stanford.edu >X-Original-SENDERIP: 164.125.9.3 >X-Original-MAILFROM: hdjeong at pusan.ac.kr >From: "Haedo Jeong" >To: "'Ed Myers'" >Subject: RE: Re: Wafer broken >Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:53:22 +0900 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 >Thread-Index: Acm6JjqDyYDIYUpyRAalN8aXnOzdIAAhGFJQ >X-IP: 164.125.72.57 >X-FROM-DOMAIN: pusan.ac.kr >X-FROM-EMAIL: hdjeong at pusan.ac.kr > >Hi Ed, > >I hope this message finds you well. >Based on your information, I discussed with our members. >What I can comment to you is, to make the pressure of vacuum regulator lower >and to explain how to chuck a wafer. >Hopefully, Dr. Kihyun Park of GnP Technology who stay in Berkeley, will >contact you or Sangbeom Kim and visit SNF next week. >Fortunately, I will stay in San Fransisco to attend on MRS 2009 Spring >meeting whole next week and have to leave tomorrow here. Please let me know >if you need my help. > >Thank you in advance. >Haedo >-----Original Message----- >From: Ed Myers [mailto:edmyers at stanford.edu] >Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 6:49 AM >To: Haedo Jeong >Subject: Fwd: Re: Wafer broken > >Haedo, > >Here is some more information exchange going on between our lab >members. I have included the following excerpt along with continuing >discussion from an earlier email. > >Regards, >Ed > >At 01:32 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote: > >broke 4 out of 8 wafers during chucking. This may be my > >inexperience, but the membrane bulged out, and then after pressing > >'chucking' button vacuum pulls the wafer in, and any slight > >misalignment of the wafer from the ring caused a crack. > > > >Delivered-To: edmyers at stanford.edu > >Delivered-To: emyers at snf.stanford.edu > >Mailing-List: contact cmp-help at snf.stanford.edu; run by ezmlm > >X-No-Archive: yes > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Unsubscribe: > >List-Subscribe: > >Delivered-To: mailing list cmp at snf.stanford.edu > >Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:31:17 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Chong Xie > >To: Christopher McGuinness > >Cc: SangBum Kim , cmp at snf.stanford.edu > >Subject: Re: Wafer broken > >X-Originating-IP: [171.64.123.44] > >X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.15_GA_2851.RHEL4_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF3.0 > >(Win)/5.0.15_GA_2851.RHEL4_64) > >X-Authenticated-User: chongxie at stanford.edu > > > >Thanks for the information. > >My wafers might be weakened by the trenches significantly. At least > >they can gather the strain. I didn't see where the fracture > >occurred, since the wafers were broken into small pieces. > >I agree the the pick up process is rather violent. It's mostly > >likely that's when it breaks the wafers. It would be nice if it can > >be turned off. > > > > > >chong > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Christopher McGuinness" > >To: "Chong Xie" > >Cc: "SangBum Kim" , cmp at snf.stanford.edu > >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 1:59:29 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > >Subject: Re: Wafer broken > > > >This is strange. I've used the CMP many times and have never had a > >wafer break on me. The only things I can think that would cause this > >discrepancy are: > >1) We load the wafers differently. I don't see how this can be the > >case though, as it is pretty straightforward... > >2) The tool parameters are different. Again, I run the tool at the > >standard settings, so unless something has degraded or changed since > >I last used it this would not seem to be the case. > >3) There is something about our wafers that is different. I polish > >wafers with a .6um thick layer of oxide, patterned and filled with a > >similarly thick layer of poly. There is very little surface topology > >on my wafers and I polish them down to the surface of the oxide, so > >basically it is planar the whole time. Could the 2um trench you > >mentioned be weakening the wafer? Does the fracture occur along the trench? > > > >I have also noticed that when the tool turns the vaccuum on again to > >pick up the wafer it is a rather violent thump. I wonder if this > >vaccuum turn on step could be looked at and adjusted to be less > >violent. Or just skipped entirely so you pick your wafer up off the pad.... > > > >Sorry to hear about all the destruction. That must be frustrating. > > > >-Chris > > > > > > > > > > > >On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Chong Xie < chongxie at stanford.edu > wrote: > > > > > >Thanks a lot! That's very likely the case. I will try turning off > >the vacuum next time. > > > >chong > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "SangBum Kim" < kimsangb at stanford.edu > > >To: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > > >Cc: cmp at snf.stanford.edu > >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 12:33:34 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > >Subject: Re: Wafer broken > > > >Hi Chong, > > > >Do you know during which CMP step your wafer gets broken? In my > >case, most of my broken wafers actaully got broken when it is picked > >back up again by the head after it is done polishing. If that is the > >case for you, you can avoid that by turning off the vacuum pump > >during your polish so that the wafer is not picked up. > > > >Thanks, > >SangBum > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chong Xie" < chongxie at stanford.edu > > >To: cmp at snf.stanford.edu > >Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 10:58:58 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > >Subject: Wafer broken > > > >Dear CMP users, > > > >The CMP broke most of my wafers (3 out of 4) last time I use it. > >Chucking was all right, but the wafers were broken during polishing. > >I was just using the normal setting: > > > >Platen: 50RPM > >Head1: 30RPM > >Head2: 60RPM > > > >Polishing pressure: 200gm/cm2 > >Retainer pressure: 300gm/cm2 > > > >My wafers have 2 um deep trenches on them. I thought that might be > >the reason, but the same conditions worked for me all right before. > >I was wondering whether I could tune any of these parameters. Dose > >anyone have similar problems before? > >Any input is appreciated, and thanks in advance. > > > > > >chong > > > > > > > >-- > >Christopher McGuinness > >SLAC - Advanced Accelerator Research Department > >Stanford University - Applied Physics Department > >www.christophermcguinness.com From edmyers at stanford.edu Thu Apr 16 08:28:52 2009 From: edmyers at stanford.edu (Ed Myers) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:28:52 -0700 Subject: Visit From GnP Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090416082734.0278b458@stanford.edu> All, GnP is scheduled for a visit on Friday, April 17th, beginning at 10am (but they are often late). If anyone has questions regarding the CMP system, please stop in to talk with the experts. Regards, Ed