From wslee at stanford.edu  Tue Aug  2 08:17:07 2011
From: wslee at stanford.edu (Scott Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:17:07 -0700
Subject: Glycerin use at wbgeneral
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Hi specmat,

Any response on my proposal to use glycerin at wbgeneral?  I talked to Uli
and it seems like the main concern is whether I can dispose of the
glycerin/BOE solution in the HF drain or if it needs to be disposed of in
the hazardous waste in the acid storage cabinet.  Feedback would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Scott Lee <wslee at stanford.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I wasn't sure who to send this to so I decided to send it to the safety and
> specmat mailing lists.
>
> I am working with a collaborator in Illinois on hafnium diboride (HfB2) as
> a hard, conductive material.  I need to selectively etch SiO2 without
> etching the HfB2.  My collaborator says his group has had success using a
> 5:3 BOE:glycerin solution where the BOE is 7:1 40%NH4F:49% HF.
>
> I would like to use this solution at wbgeneral since I will be working with
> HF and I need to go to CPD afterwards.  Since glycerin is an alcohol (which
> is not normally permitted at wbgeneral), I wanted to make sure it is okay to
> use.  Let me know if you have any concerns.  I attached the link to the MSDS
> sheet below.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
> http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927350
>
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From wslee at stanford.edu  Tue Aug  2 11:13:53 2011
From: wslee at stanford.edu (Scott Lee)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:13:53 -0700
Subject: Glycerin use at wbgeneral
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Hi all,

I talked to Mahnaz who wanted more process specifics and details about
glycerin.  I will be etching pieces at wbgeneral.  As stated earlier, I will
use a 5:3 BOE:glycerin mixture.  Since I will be working with pieces, the
quantity of the solution will be small (~500mL every 2 weeks).  The mixture
will be used at room temperature.  Teflon and plastic beakers will be used.
The waste will be specially collected as per hazardous waste protocol and
not be drained down the HF drain.

The MSDS (link attached below) says that it may explode on contact with
chromium trioxide, potassium chlorate, and potassium permanganate.  It also
says to avoid contact with sulfuric and nitric acids (leads to explosive
glyceryl nitrate).  Uli recommended reserving and enabling both sides of
wbgeneral.  The recommendation seems good to me to ensure that no one is
using sulfuric acid or nitric acid in the near vicinity.  Other than that,
it's boiling point is 290C and flashpoint is 177C.

According to wikipedia, glycerin is found in a wide variety of products
including diet foods, laxatives, and cough syrup.

Let me know if any other information would be of interest.

Cheers,
Scott

MSDS
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927350

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycerin





On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Scott Lee <wslee at stanford.edu> wrote:

> Hi specmat,
>
> Any response on my proposal to use glycerin at wbgeneral?  I talked to Uli
> and it seems like the main concern is whether I can dispose of the
> glycerin/BOE solution in the HF drain or if it needs to be disposed of in
> the hazardous waste in the acid storage cabinet.  Feedback would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Scott Lee <wslee at stanford.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wasn't sure who to send this to so I decided to send it to the safety
>> and specmat mailing lists.
>>
>> I am working with a collaborator in Illinois on hafnium diboride (HfB2) as
>> a hard, conductive material.  I need to selectively etch SiO2 without
>> etching the HfB2.  My collaborator says his group has had success using a
>> 5:3 BOE:glycerin solution where the BOE is 7:1 40%NH4F:49% HF.
>>
>> I would like to use this solution at wbgeneral since I will be working
>> with HF and I need to go to CPD afterwards.  Since glycerin is an alcohol
>> (which is not normally permitted at wbgeneral), I wanted to make sure it is
>> okay to use.  Let me know if you have any concerns.  I attached the link to
>> the MSDS sheet below.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927350
>>
>
>
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